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Postby quirky » Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:03 pm

Well, they've always been here. The least I could do is talk to them.
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Postby quirky » Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:47 pm

Church this morning has left me with more questions than answers. First, why does the soloist get to sing the hymns I know and we have to sing the hymns I don't know? I was raised Lutheran.

I nearly had a moment when the soloist sang "Amazing Grace"...my grandma's name....followed by "In the Garden"...my maternal grandfather's favorite hymn that we had at his funeral. Or "planting", as my father referred to it...and got punched in the arm by me.

Sometimes I think I would be better eating Cheerios and drawing on the program like I did when I was little than paying attention to the sermon.

Today the guest pastor (regular pastor is on a three-month sabbatical unexpectedly) talked about the parable of the sower.

How some seeds are sown on ground and the birds eat them up...some are sown on rocky ground and they root, but burn out....some are sewn among weeds and the weeds overtake them and some are sown in good soil and they take root and grow.

Which feeds into my sense of unworthiness and ineptitude, ya know? I'm immediately wondering which seed I am and if it really matters. Are these just platitudes, to make the struggle seem worthwhile? I feel God's power and I know Jesus died for me...but sometimes it just seems like the sacrifice required of us is crazy-making.

The things that make my life make sense now, make absolutely no sense. Why am I posting here? Isn't admiring Jim Carrey like worshiping a false god?

But then, there's predestination, right? God puts you places, he knit you in the womb...all the hairs on your head are numbered...etc. etc.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggghhhh!
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Postby mav » Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:59 pm

'Isn't admiring Jim Carrey like worshiping a false god? '

Why? I'm sure you admire a lot of people. Your grandma, for instance. How does that make a false god?

I have a list of people I admire for teaching me things that I otherwise wouldn't have known. It has 5 names in it. Four of them coincidentally start with J :wink: But my parents are not in there. Nor is god, our parent. What does that mean?
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Postby mav » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:17 pm

quirky wrote:Which feeds into my sense of unworthiness and ineptitude, ya know? I'm immediately wondering which seed I am and if it really matters. Are these just platitudes, to make the struggle seem worthwhile? I feel God's power and I know Jesus died for me...but sometimes it just seems like the sacrifice required of us is crazy-making.


These questions echo in space and I certainly don't have the answer. I don't have luck with even simple questions I pose to my doctor. I'm just short of being labelled a serial hypochondriac. After listening to an hour of my concerns, the doctor (5 of them till now) goes 'You are fine. It'll go away in two months. Just stop thinking too much'. Que?!
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Postby fluffy » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:19 pm

'Isn't admiring Jim Carrey like worshiping a false god? '


not really.........not unless you dedicate a shrine to him and start worshipping at his feet............lol


you gotta let go, you know.......
stop asking unanswerable questions for a while, and start accepting life for waht it is...........or you'll never be happy, just eternally confused..... :wink:

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Postby quirky » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:38 am

stop asking unanswerable questions for a while


I'm frightened that this is the way I'm wired. I'm scared of a lot...what will become of me, for instance, so it's not like I want to ask the unanswerable questions....it's that they are throwing themselves in my path. And yes, it's torture.
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Postby Janel » Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:11 am

quirky wrote:How some seeds are sown on ground and the birds eat them up...some are sown on rocky ground and they root, but burn out....some are sewn among weeds and the weeds overtake them and some are sown in good soil and they take root and grow.

Which feeds into my sense of unworthiness and ineptitude, ya know? I'm immediately wondering which seed I am and if it really matters.


The seed that is sown is the word of the kingdom (Matt. 13:19)--the gospel of Jesus Christ, not you , Quirky!

vs.22....And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.

This verse sounds like where you might be at right now, Quirk, if I may be so bold. The part about the worry of the world...you carry it all and you aren't supposed to! :? Your worry could very well be a reason that things aren't making sense. You are carrying a heavy burden that wasn't meant for you to carry, my friend.

Psalm 55:22 Cast (or LOAD) your burdens on the Lord, and He will sustain you.....He isn't promising that there will be no cares. He is telling us to let Him carry our worries, and He promises to sustain us THROUGH life's challenges, not OUT of life's challenges. It is part of the process of any relationship to learn to trust completely. Sometimes we give it all over just to take most of it back. This is understood by our Heavenly Father. He promises to be a refuge--a fortress--a place where we not only rest and are safe but a place of victory and conquer over fear and all that would destroy us mundane day after monotonous day.

Do you enjoy reading the Psalms? David was an emotional mess most of the time!!! :roll: But he knew God heard him...and regardless of how bad he let things get, he knew that God would take care of him.....
Ps 56:3, 4 When I am afraid, I will put my trust in You. In God whose word I praise, in God I have put my trust; I shall not be afraid. What can mere man do to me?..... vs 8....You have taken account of my wanderings; put my tears in a bottle; are they not in Your book? This I know that God is for me!
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Postby Filomena » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:14 pm

Asking questions is what we should be doing.

There are many many lies that have existed in the world, because of what we call Blind Faith. We simply accept what we are told, because it's what is excepted from us. But if you stop and ask yourself, why would that happen? Why would God do that? etc, etc, and you start to analyze things, you'll see things for what they really are. Sure, that means more confusion for a while, but only until you realize the enormity of the lies we've been swallowing, because nobody has the guts to ask the questions.

That's part of your pain, Quirky. Sounds like in your heart you know the truth about what's around you, and you're having a hard time dealing with it. This is just a stage, I think, and although it's giving you much grief, it's something you have to go through as part of your own personal journey and growth.

If it's any help, I'm also asking loads of questions, and not getting the answers I want to hear. So sometimes I yell out the questions, just in case He wasn't listening the first time around (that always makes things worst, I've discovered).

Don't be afraid of the questions you come up with. Don't be afraid about the way you're "wired". Everyone is "wired" differently, but at the end of the day, we're all going to get the same answers.

You're just going to get there sooner than the naysayers.

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Postby fluffy » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:31 pm

don't get me wrong............i do agree that we should ask questions....it's part of our spiritual and psychological development........
but it's a gradual process...............the questions we may have ,develop over time, as much as the answers............
What i mean by 'letting go'..............is by going with the flow, facing those relevant questions, as and when they rear their head.......not racing up to them face on.........we may not have the life experience, to justify even asking the question, let alone answering it...............and attempting it will lead to confusion and pain............

We have a whole lifetime of circumstance and questioning.......there's no rush............go with the flow and enjoy it.............

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Postby Filomena » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:33 pm

That's true, Fluffy. Part of my problem is that I'm very impatient. I hate it when things don't happen NOW and then, the only question I'm asking is, What the &$&$&$ is taking so long???

Patience is a virtue.

(but what the $($)#) is taking so long??????)
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Postby searching_for_sunshine » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:44 pm

fluffy - I LOVE THAT QUOTE!
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Postby searching_for_sunshine » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:56 pm

sorry, fluffy i didn't clarify - the quote about the philosopher AND i also really liked what you just said about...
'we may not have the life experience, to justify even asking the question, let alone answering it'

i think that is so true in a lot of cases because we want everything right NOW and we forget that learning and questioning are all part of our path.

we must be able to ask the right question at the right time to get the answer we want or need. i know that sounds vague but i personally think it's true. and how can we tell it wasn't the right time to ask? we don't see results or we see results that we don't like - it's kind of a "be careful what you wish for" scenario.
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Postby quirky » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:04 pm

Patience is a virtue.


Yep. And I'm getting less patient. But then when I'm impatient, I do the wrong thing.

And then I have a sense of resignation about how completely inept I am.

Did you ever feel like you're behind everyone else?
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Postby Filomena » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:05 pm

With me, it's not that I'm behind everyone else. It's that I just can't seem to figure out what it is that I'm supposed to do to get myself out of this crappy place.

At times, it's like the world is spinning. For the past 14 years, I've been on a rollercoaster ride. Up and down and then loopity loop. But now it's like it's a spinning rollercoaster ride.

As soon as I get the chance, I'm getting off the ride and leaving the Amusement Park for good.
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Postby quirky » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:29 pm

Amid distractions,
He is undistracted.

In meditation,
He does not meditate.

Foolish,
He is not a fool.

Knowing everything,
He knows nothing.

-Ashtavakra Gita 18:97


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