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Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:39 am
by Canadian Jayne
Why are prescription drugs and VACINES so
Size generic
I have always wondered why people's weight and size is
rarely considered when receiving these
Its given out as "One size fits all"
also why aren't allergy tests given earlier
in life for prevention purposes
I have heard so many horrific stories
of children given penicillin when they were
allergic to it
they were never previously tested
"An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure"
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:16 pm
by EBGB
Most medication is tested on men, as well, which is turning out more & more to be inappropriate, given that women can respond differently. OTOH pharma development & registration is SPECTACULARLY expensive for each drug approved, given how many fail ever to reach approval, so it's not massively surprising that in the past it's been a moderately generic test population. As I understand it, there's starting to be much more finessed R&D now in terms of personalised medication, but no idea when it'll become mainstream practice.
I believe that allergies generally are becoming more common, tho' I couldn't quote any peer-reviewed data on that. Anecdotes seem always to suggest that grubbier kids are less prone than the ones whose parents chase them around with cleaning products & anti-microbial gunk. There's always also the fact that these days medicine keeps alive some whom nature would previously have culled - harsh, but true - so maybe the allergies are higher in that sub-population? I can't imagine how expensive / complicated it would be to start testing everyone for antibiotic allergies prior to need, particularly given the excessive over-use of antibiotics & the corresponding increase in resistant microbes, which definitely don't need encouragement. Weirdly, my sister's mother-in-law was found to be allergic to an antibiotic last year which hasn't happened to her before - and she's well into her 80s. So maybe these things can also be late-onset? I've been to her house, though, and it definitely wasn't a result of excessive hygiene ...
I'm in the UK, so other than the embarrassment & associated downstream healthcare impacts of producing Andrew Wakefield, we're mostly pretty sensible about having vaccines done here. I know that MMR vaccine take-up fell off following that corrupt man's scaremongering, but I'm pretty sure it's coming back now to where it should be for herd immunity.
& you might rather like this quote:
Hee is a better physician that keepes diseases off us, than hee that cures them being on us;
preuention is so much better than healing because it saues the labor of being sicke.
(Thomas Adams, 17th C preacher)
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:56 pm
by Canadian Jayne
Absolutely love the quote
thanks for sharing
Spring allergy season is upon us
recently I noticed after the allergy
medicine wares off I feel down
There is some research on suicides and allergies
Statistics show that spring is the most likely time
Now I understand why
There is research for August time period also
It's interesting stuff
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:36 pm
by fluffy
Those are all fair points.
I can tell you i became seriously ill at the age of 7 due to a vaccine injury, i won't bore you with the details but the vaccine in question was the Tetanus Vaccine. Fortunately i recovered but it could have been a very different outcome.
My advise would be to keep informed so you can make educated decisions re vaccines.
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:01 am
by Canadian Jayne
Yes
I agree
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:19 pm
by EvaAraujo
EBGB wrote:Most medication is tested on men, as well, which is turning out more & more to be inappropriate, given that women can respond differently. OTOH pharma development & registration is SPECTACULARLY expensive for each drug approved, given how many fail ever to reach approval, so it's not massively surprising that in the past it's been a moderately generic test population. As I understand it, there's starting to be much more finessed R&D now in terms of personalised medication, but no idea when it'll become mainstream practice.
I believe that allergies generally are becoming more common, tho' I couldn't quote any peer-reviewed data on that. Anecdotes seem always to suggest that grubbier kids are less prone than the ones whose parents chase them around with cleaning products & anti-microbial gunk. There's always also the fact that these days medicine keeps alive some whom nature would previously have culled - harsh, but true - so maybe the allergies are higher in that sub-population? I can't imagine how expensive / complicated it would be to start testing everyone for antibiotic allergies prior to need, particularly given the excessive over-use of antibiotics & the corresponding increase in resistant microbes, which definitely don't need encouragement. Weirdly, my sister's mother-in-law was found to be allergic to an antibiotic last year which hasn't happened to her before - and she's well into her 80s. So maybe these things can also be late-onset? I've been to her house, though, and it definitely wasn't a result of excessive hygiene ...
I'm in the UK, so other than the embarrassment & associated downstream healthcare impacts of producing Andrew Wakefield, we're mostly pretty sensible about having vaccines done here. I know that MMR vaccine take-up fell off following that corrupt man's scaremongering, but I'm pretty sure it's coming back now to where it should be for herd immunity.
& you might rather like this quote:
Hee is a better physician that keepes diseases off us, than hee that cures them being on us;
preuention is so much better than healing because it saues the labor of being sicke.
(Thomas Adams, 17th C preacher)
I agree. Prevention is the best way to avoid it.
This vaccine topic is very hard sometimes because we as general public don't get the whole story.
In USA it seem like the whole pharmacy industry may need some help because there's a lot of abuse.
Regarding vaccines I do believe they are important.
But since this is a subject that Jim and other have gotten a lot of heat over it let me just say that never once I saw him say that people show not take vaccines. Not once.
So I agree that we need prevention.
I also believe we need to be careful of what we put in our bodies.
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 3:50 pm
by AdaL
Even if he has an opinion or a cause I may not agree with, I'll never think anything less of him for it because he has a good heart in the right place. He's motivated by compassion and kindness and that's what's important. I know how contentious the subject is, but I hate to see him attacked left right and centre for what he says.
Nobody has to elect not to vaccinate due to what he's saying; they're still free to make their own decisions and he's free to say exactly what he thinks.
My personal view on vaccines is, they should be administered and I would always vaccinate my own children if I had any but if Mercury and aluminium are still present in the formula, they should be excised; even at 'trace amounts', this is not something anyone should be injecting into their bodies on any level.
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 4:24 am
by Canadian Jayne
Agreed
We all have the freedom of choice
It's up to us to be educated, investigative
find out as much as possible from as many sources as we can
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 10:09 pm
by fluffy
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 1:24 am
by AdaL
Yeah, I agree.
I think I'm getting into the obsessive health thing and it's f**king miserable.. buying only organic and tracking all the chemical additives. I've cut right down on wine to practically nothing and I bloody LOVE wine.
And pumpkin seeds are not a tasty snack - they're an abomination.
I like your Dr btw.
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 11:09 am
by fluffy
I've been a neurotic health watcher in the past. All multi vitamins and juicing. Eating a limited but supposedly healthy diet and i can honestly say i felt blooming awful. I've been a gym freak too and that made me ill.....I feel best on a high protein diet where i eat meat and fish and the gym is visited in moderation. Everyone is different so my advice is to listen to your body. Organic etc has been proven in the UK to not make any difference so i'd save your cash (give Holland and Barrett a miss). Drink your wine in moderation and enjoy life. If limiting yourself is making you depressed then relax it, you'll feel far healthier if you are happy. Try relaxing your diet for a month and note down any changes in mood and feeling and see how it goes.
We have an old Scottish saying which goes 'live for today, cause yer a lang time dead'

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Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 9:51 pm
by AdaL
fluffy wrote:I've been a neurotic health watcher in the past. All multi vitamins and juicing. Eating a limited but supposedly healthy diet and i can honestly say i felt blooming awful. I've been a gym freak too and that made me ill.....I feel best on a high protein diet where i eat meat and fish and the gym is visited in moderation. Everyone is different so my advice is to listen to your body. Organic etc has been proven in the UK to not make any difference so i'd save your cash (give Holland and Barrett a miss). Drink your wine in moderation and enjoy life. If limiting yourself is making you depressed then relax it, you'll feel far healthier if you are happy. Try relaxing your diet for a month and note down any changes in mood and feeling and see how it goes.
We have an old Scottish saying which goes 'live for today, cause yer a lang time dead'

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Yep. The stress of label checking and obsessing is far worse for you than any chip or cake.
I've bought all sorts of potions and remedies in H&B and I'm still waiting to feel the difference (aside from the lighter purse). My last buy was unrefined organic unicorn sugar crafted in a rainbow or something. SEVEN QUID!! And you didn't even get a resealable bag for that!
Like you say, everything in moderation and enjoy life. And I think I may nab your Scottish saying and make it my mantra

Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 11:01 am
by fluffy
Re: Prescriptions and vacines
Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 6:30 pm
by AdaL
Yeah, it really is the best pick-me up of all, to get outside. And that's why I think we all go nuts in the UK when we get good weather (like today) because it's so bloody rare and we need it so much. Like you say, it's not even a case of waiting for warmth, though.. A brisk walk on a cold day can really clear the cobwebs.
I've just started on Flaxseed oil tablets - I am patiently awaiting my transformation into a robust super-human.
*looks at watch*